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Leadership series – Catherine Burrows

In our last post for the time being in our series about leadership, Catherine Burrows looks at what we have learned from the leaders she interviewed, as well as adding some thoughts of her own.

Catherine is a founding partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum – independent consulting. Prior to this, she was a senior leader in the NSW Government, responsible for a $1.8b budget and strategy and policy, planning and reporting state-wide.

What did we learn from our leaders?

We learned that different kinds of people can be leaders. Each of the leaders we spoke to had a different way of talking about leadership and an individual approach to leading others. However, they agreed that good leaders must have a strong and engaging vision.

We learned that leaders need followers, so leaders need the ability to engage people with their vision. They all stressed the importance of effective communication, to help people understand and accept their leader’s vision and then work towards achieving that vision.

We also learnt that effective communication is more than speaking. We heard about the importance of listening, discussion and sincere consultation, particularly in organisations which are built from the grassroots up.

All the leaders told us about the importance of being courageous. They mentioned strong values and making decisions based on good evidence. They talked about recognising when you need to step up; and not taking a backward step when you know what needs to be done.

Our leaders also talked about the necessity of looking over the horizon, being aware of what was coming and alert to ‘rumblings’. This skill meant that leaders were able to plan further in advance and help their staff and their organisations prepare for the future.

Who inspired our leaders?

Different leaders were inspired in different ways. They mentioned the importance of being open to new ideas and recognising that you don’t know everything.

We also learned about the impact different kinds of people had on our leaders at different points in their lives.

Several people mentioned being inspired by someone who had led them and who had said something which had changed their mindset or who had behaved in a way that led our (then future) leaders to behave in the same way. I wonder if those people realised how long-lasting and significant their impact would be.

Where to from here?

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Recently I was in a situation which made me think about good leaders and bad bosses. I was surfing in a very big sea and the waves were crashing into the sand. Most of these waves, the ‘dumpers’, were impossible to catch, so we were all avoiding them by diving under them, stepping backwards or pushing through if they weren’t too big.

Once the dumpers had crashed onto the sand, most of them had little power left. They had built up and then expended all their energy in a single violent movement.

There were a few excellent waves though. They broke beautifully and everyone tried to catch them. When we succeeded, we found these waves had the power to carry us right through to the shore.

The good waves were like good leaders. They built up momentum and energy and carried people with them. People wanted to get on board and be part of the experience.

The dumpers reminded me of bad bosses. There was a lot of noise and energy but comparatively little forward motion. They were violent, so most people used strategies to avoid them. Those who tried to get on board were thumped into the sand. They were unpleasant and some were even frightening.

Leadership is a privilege. To be given the task of leading others means you must earn their trust and remain worthy of that trust. You need to lead in the right direction, communicate effectively to carry your followers with you, and be courageous in standing up for your values and taking your people where you need them to go.

Leadership series – Kate Baxter AM

Kate is the Regional General Manager, TAFE NSW West region. She is responsible for a region which is larger than France, stretching from Broken Hill to Lithgow and up to Queensland. Her region has 40,000 students, many in small, remote communities. In 2018, she was awarded the AM for significant service to education administration in rural New South Wales, to training programs for Indigenous students, and to the community.

Kate Baxter AM: A leader must be prepared to do the difficult things that no-one else wants to do

Executive Coach Exchange Kate Baxter AM
Kate Baxter AM

When asked about leadership, Kate begins by dispelling a myth. “There are lots of stereotypes about what a good leader has to be like but different kinds of people can make good leaders.” For example, “Many people think only extroverts can be good leaders. I have an introverted personality but this doesn’t impede my ability to lead.”

She lists four aspects of good leadership. The first is relationships. “To lead, you must have someone following you.” Not everyone has to be a leader. Leaders and followers need each other, so you must be able to form and maintain relationships. Trust must exist for productive leadership.

The second is vision combined with the ability to communicate that vision. Kate feels strongly that having a vision without being able to communicate it is not leadership, so communication skills are crucial. Good leadership also includes the ability to communicate a consistent message about the vision in different ways, so you engage people’s passion in what they are doing.

The third is courage. A leader must be prepared to do the difficult things that no-one else wants to do. She gives two examples. The first is having the difficult conversations with the people who work for you. The second is keeping your own integrity intact, doing what you know needs to be done.

The fourth is looking over the horizon. A leader must be able to see further than the people who are following her. The leader must be alert to what’s coming and communicate that back to people.

When we asked Kate about a leader who inspired her, she gave an example from very early in her career. Kate was given a leadership role only 18 months after completing university. She was asked to lead service development and delivery for survivors of sexual assault, both women and children. She was given responsibility for designing and implementing a whole new area of service across Central Western NSW.

Kate was responsible for a small team and was asked to lead policy, delivery and accountability across the region. This forced her to think about leadership for the first time.

The leader Kate spoke about was responsible for the program state-wide. The first characteristic Kate admired was her ability to remain calm under pressure, no matter what was going on. Kate said she has always tried to do this herself, ever since. The second was that the leader was very strategic, which meant she was not overwhelmed by opportunities or challenges. Kate said this led her to try to always think more strategically.

The third thing Kate learned was when the leader conducted training for the regional managers. The leader drew a picture of a tree, with roots, the trunk and leaves. The leader said that far too often we go straight to the leaves but we must start with the roots and the trunk. If the strategy is planted firmly, the leaves will follow. But if we start from the leaves, the strategy won’t last.

For Kate, this meant she went back to her line manager and gained approval to build the strategy for six months before implementing any service provision. She took the time to visit all the towns in the area to get people on board so she could build the strategy into the communities. The result was that the strategy Kate developed is in still in place today – and, she told us, she still has her copy of the tree drawing – 32 years later.

Contributor: Dr Catherine Burrows is a Sydney-based executive coach, available in Wollongong, Newcastle, Western NSW and other areas by arrangement. Catherine is a Founding Partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum independent consulting.

Leadership series – Jai Waters

Jai Waters is Principal Consultant and Executive Coach for the Chandler Macleod Group. She has extensive senior executive experience working in the NSW Public Sector where she was responsible for state-wide end-to-end customer services, including student and business systems. In her current role Jai focuses on leadership development and career transition coaching.

Jai Waters: Good leadership is founded on a vision for the future

Executive Coach Exchange Jai Waters
Jai Waters

When talking about leadership, Jai was quick to clarify that her focus is on good leadership.

For Jai, good leadership has its foundation in a vision for the future. The leader’s role is to engage and enlist people in defining and delivering that vision. For her, this is how a leader achieves success.

Next, a good leader needs to recognise that everyone is different. For this reason, a leader must demonstrate respect and inclusion. By acknowledging and using everyone’s skills and capabilities, a good leader ensures people are the best they can be. The leader does this by providing opportunities, support and feedback to different people at different times, according to what each person needs at that time. Successful leaders recognise that people are equal but different.

Jai feels that good leaders are responsive to ‘rumbles’, monitoring the dynamics within and beyond their team. The leader should be sensitive and alert to people’s differing needs, so everyone is working and contributing in a way that provides alignment to their work goals and leads to strong synergies.

Jai believes that celebrating wins is very important, whether they be individual, team or collective wins. She says this helps people understand the importance of what they are doing. She combines this with feedback to enhance learning, so everyone understands what went well, what didn’t and how things could be done better the next time.

Jai notes that each job is a stage in someone’s career. The leader’s role is to recognise the stage each person is at and this includes when they are ready to move on to their next position. The leaders’ role is to support people, not only in their current position but in the transition to a new role, whether that is within the current work environment or a different one.

When asked about a leader she admired, she spoke about the head of a large government agency. Jai attended a talk that he gave a short while after he was appointed to the position. She was a senior executive at that time and, and had 300 different tasks and projects she was trying to juggle. The leader said he had only three post-it notes on his desk which were the key priorities he intended to achieve while he was head of the agency.

Jai said that what she most admired about this was the clarity and simplicity of his intent; and his laser focus on what he was going to achieve – all while dealing with the noise and multiplicity of the demands of his role.

This made her aspire to having that clarity, brevity and focus herself, so that three essential goals would be enough.  As a result, she said she learned to identify and focus on what her key contribution would be, whilst also dealing with the everyday demands of her own role.

Finally, she says, to achieve the agreed leadership vision, “Everyone should be ‘in the boat’. It’s the leader’s role to get them in the boat and help everyone to reach that destination.”

Contributor: Dr Catherine Burrows is a Sydney-based executive coach, available in Wollongong, Newcastle, Western NSW and other areas by arrangement. Catherine is a Founding Partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum independent consulting.

Leadership series – David Riordan

In this post, the second in our series about leadership, we spoke to David Riordan. David is the Director of City Operations for the City of Sydney and manages 1,000 people.

David Riordan: Leaders must be authentic, decisive, brave and reflective

Executive Coach Exchange David Riordan
David Riordan

David divides leadership into two areas: personal attributes and practical skills.

The personal attributes he believes a leader must have are:

  • Authenticity and honesty;
  • Being decisive;
  • Being brave; and
  • Reflecting on your own behaviour.

For David, authenticity and honesty mean getting to know your staff and letting your staff get to know you. He makes sure people can see he is genuinely interested in them, their families and their interests outside work.

David believes that leaders must be decisive and have a robust and transparent decision-making process, because they must be able to justify their decisions and sell them. For these reasons, leaders should:

  • Always take the time to consider the options;
  • Make decisions based on evidence and data; and then
  • Accept responsibility for the decisions they make.

David says that being brave is about recognising when you need to step up, no matter how difficult the situation. He also says a good leader must reflect on their own behaviour, assessing their own performance and making constant adjustments to improve the quality of their performance and the outcomes of their work.

David feels that there are also practical skills a good leader must have:

  • Financial management, the cornerstone of a leader;
  • Accountability, both understanding your own accountability and allocating accountability appropriately to your staff;
  • Being a subject matter all-rounder; and
  • Succession planning for your own position.

Being a subject matter all-rounder means learning about the important aspects of the jobs of the people you manage. This allows you to have informed discussions with your subject matter experts and make informed decisions about what they recommend.

He also believes you should start looking for your successor the day you begin a new job.

When he was asked to talk about a leader who inspired him, David spoke about the person he reported to when he himself was first appointed as a manager. He said what he learned then has stuck with him throughout his career.

David said that this manager was calm, consultative and supportive. She was transparent in her decision-making. She gave credit where credit was due. She was informative about the context of their work and the bigger picture issues. She gave feedback on and provided good directions for their work. She was solutions-focused when she encountered a problem or a mistake, rather than looking for someone to blame.

David concluded by commenting that he had adopted these strategies and behaviours for himself as a leader at that time and has used them ever since. He also noted that he continues to find these behaviours in all the best leaders he encounters.

Contributor: Dr Catherine Burrows is a Sydney-based executive coach, available in Wollongong, Newcastle, Western NSW and other areas by arrangement. Catherine is a Founding Partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum independent consulting.

Leadership series – Rod Towney

Many of our clients want to work with us on leadership. So, we decided to start the year by asking leaders we know about the foundations and challenges of leadership.

We begin the series with an interview with Rod Towney. Rod is a Wiradjuri elder and the most senior Aboriginal staff member in TAFE NSW.

Rod Towney PSM: Leadership has its foundation in respect

Executive Coach Exchange Rod Towney leader
Rod Towney

Rod is a leader in two cultures, the Aboriginal culture and the non-Aboriginal culture. He traces his leadership back to his childhood, growing up on the Mission. He said that he always knew who his elders were and still knows who they are; so his leadership has its foundation in respect.

Rod said he believes that the characteristics of a real leader are that:

  • You must lead people in the right direction
  • You must not take backward steps
  • You must be courageous and assertive when you know you are right
  • People must recognise your honesty and fairness
  • You must be a good, solid role model.

Rod told us when he was a little feller, some of the senior men, the uncles, chose future leaders from amongst the young boys. The uncles took those boys into the bush where they learned about hunting, fishing and the weather. Not everyone is chosen to learn about cultural knowledge in depth: Rod was one those chosen and feels blessed to have been chosen in this way; he notes this means he has been given responsibilities for his people’s well-being. Rod said that an Aboriginal leader is a leader amongst equals.

Rod has had a remarkable career, being elected to the regional Aboriginal Land Council at a relatively young age and from there eventually becoming Chair of the NSW Aboriginal Land Council. He has also been a member of ATSIC and Deputy Mayor of the Dubbo City Council. As a Senior TAFE Manager, he works over the vast Western Region of NSW, from Lithgow to Broken Hill and up to the Queensland border. He focuses on students getting the best outcomes from their study.

Possibly the most remarkable thing Rod has done was to speak at the United Nations General Assembly, when he represented the NSW Aboriginal Lands Council in the Human Rights arena. Many people, when asked about a leader they admire, name Nelson Mandela. Rod met Mr Mandela and his advice has influenced Rod in his work with non-Aboriginal people. Mr Mandela explained to Rod that, in Australia, Aboriginal people would need to work with non-Aboriginal people because they were so out-numbered, a different situation from that in Africa. Rod said he took this advice to heart and tries to work effectively with non-Aboriginal people to achieve outcomes for the Aboriginal Peoples he represents.

We asked Rod about a person he admired, as well as Nelson Mandela. He named several people, including a School Principal at Wellington, Mr Cahill, who encouraged and supported the Aboriginal children to go further and do their best. He also said that the Uncles and Aunties were heroes in their family.

Most of all, though, Rod admires his mother and grandfather, who inspired him, instilling discipline and a strong work ethic. He said they told him he was as good as anyone and encouraged and supported him in his decision to go to university. Crucially, they protected him from being taken away, helping the children hide in the bush when people came to take them. For Rod, this meant that he grew up as a Wiradjuri man in his own culture and this has formed the foundation for his life.

Contributor: Dr Catherine Burrows is a Sydney-based executive coach, available in Wollongong, Newcastle, Western NSW and other areas by arrangement. Catherine is a Founding Partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum independent consulting.

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We’re on holidays

Executive Coach Exchange beachThis year we’ve seen some great discussions about the importance of time off. From this terrific response to a request for mental health leave to this examination of how constant availability damages productivity it’s been great to see focus on this issue.

And for those of us who like data, here is a data-driven case for annual leave.

With this in mind, we’ll be back in touch in February.

Sometimes the bravest thing is just showing up

For me, what keeps executive coaching fascinating is how much I learn from the process and how inspiring my clients are. As the year draws to a close, I’ve been reflecting on the lessons I’ve learned this year.

In 2017, my coaching practice has mainly been with aspiring and newly appointed leaders in the government and NGO sectors. Working with all these people has been such a rewarding experience.

My first lesson for 2017 has been a reaffirmation of how talented, committed and hard-working the people who work in the public sector and in NGOs are.

My second lesson has been a reminder of how effective executive coaching can be in assisting people to recognise, believe in and apply their own talents.

My third lesson has been the perennial one: how important asking the right questions is in executive coaching.

Executive Coach Exchange courageHowever, the client I learned the most from this year was one who found coaching extremely challenging. I am going to call them Lee.

Lee’s manager had referred them to coaching and, although their participation wasn’t mandatory, it was strongly encouraged. Building trust with a client is always important but my own experience of being coached showed me that it’s especially important when the client has been ‘volunteered’.

I could see straight away that Lee was very wary of the process. Despite a very encouraging shared conversation with their manager, with lots of positive comments, Lee was initially unwilling to share insights into the issues they were experiencing at work.

However, as time went by, things started to change. Lee became increasingly willing to talk through issues and, later, became committed to using coaching as a means to test new ideas and explore new approaches. At the end of the coaching process, Lee told me how much courage this had taken and let me know how pleased they were they had persevered.

The big lesson for me was that a client might come across as a difficult person, when actually they are showing a great deal of bravery just getting themselves to the table, before they can even begin the coaching itself. The more I thought about this, the more courage I thought this took.

Pushing yourself to do something so far out of your comfort zone takes guts and determination. It shows what you can really do when you try.

So, my biggest lesson for 2017 has been:

sometimes the bravest thing is just showing up.

Contributor: Dr Catherine Burrows is a Sydney-based executive coach, available in Wollongong, Newcastle, Western NSW and other areas by arrangement. Catherine is a Founding Partner of Executive Coach Exchange and the CEO and owner of Innoverum independent consulting.

Lee is a fictionalised amalgam of several clients.

Celebrating the first anniversary of Executive Coach Exchange

Executive Coach ExchangeThanks to our great clients, coaches, partners, colleagues and supporters, we’re celebrating our first year in business. We’ve built many strong relationships this year, and we’re looking forward to strengthening them further over the next year.

Highlights of this year have included:

Thanks for helping to make Executive Coach Exchange a success!

Edited 23 March 2021

This week’s featured member Claudia Lantos

This week, our featured member Claudia Lantos tells us about her own leadership development & coaching firm, Lantos Coaching & Consultancy. We asked Claudia about who her clients are and what she can offer them.

Claudia Lantos, executive coach
Claudia Lantos, executive coach

Who are your clients?

Our clients are usually organisations operating in a highly competitive market or dealing with continuous change or disruption. We work with both individual executives and teams.

For individuals, we can help them to:

  • become more effective
  • break with old patterns and habits and improve their personal positioning
  • establish more effective management behaviour
  • undertake organisational alignment
  • transition into a new role
  • excel in stakeholder management, and
  • enhance their performance and lead better-performing teams.

We also work with teams, both at executive leadership level and the level(s) below and can assist with:

  • newly formed teams
  • teams experiencing disruptive changes and organisational realignment
  • teams which need to become more collaborative and improve their performance and
  • teams which need to adjust to a new workplace culture.

Who do you think most benefits from LCC’s services?

Senior executives, emerging leaders and teams alike benefit from partnering with us. We offer best in class program frameworks, methodologies and assessments – all evidence based and with proven effectiveness.

What makes LCC stand out from other coaching businesses?

From briefing to delivery, LCC provides a quick turnaround time. As we are a boutique firm, we can accelerate effectively for our clients.

LCC has four key business principles:

  • All our programs are highly customised and tailored to our clients’ specific needs – we don’t believe in a ‘one size fits all approach.’
  • Our broad range of specialties, industry knowledge and experience mean we understand our clients, whether they are in the private, public sector or non-government sector.
  • We don’t shy away from giving you our best advice, even if this means sometimes needing to ‘tell it like it is’. My Dutch background might be the reason 🙂
  • We try to lift our game every time and keep coming up with new approaches and fresh perspectives.

What services does LCC offer?

We offer various kinds of evidence-based coaching including:

  • Executive Coaching programs
  • Assessments and debriefs
  • Leadership Development programs and workshops
  • Team Coaching
  • High Performance Team programs
  • Culture Change programs.

What is your vision and mission for LCC?

LCC’s vision is to encourage and challenge our clients to be the best versions of themselves. This might relate to an individual or a team’s performance and effectiveness, or a changing organisation or culture.

Our mission is to make sure we deliver high quality and highly customised services with direct impact for the client, by sharing our own best practices and let our clients benefit from the combined wealth of experience of our team.

Where does LCC operate?

While we are based in Sydney, we operate throughout Australia. We also offer our executive coaching services via video calling platforms like Skype and FaceTime for executives who are travelling or are based overseas.

How successful are your approaches?

The feedback we get from clients is that we really understand them and their needs. As evidence of this, we have clients coming back to us and referring others to us.

We know you started out in The Netherlands working as a lawyer in labour law. How did you end up working as a coach in Australia?

I’ve called Australia home for the last five years. Prior to that I was working in Europe and South-East Asia. I transitioned from labour law into recruitment and executive search, as part of the national management team of a stock-exchange-listed recruitment group, so I worked both in Amsterdam and Singapore. In that role, I was responsible for opening up new markets and building teams.

Before I moved to Sydney, I had my own coaching business in the Netherlands for 8 years. In my latest venture LCC – Lantos Coaching & Consultancy I try to implement my previous learnings and share best practices with both my clients and my team.

What is it you like about owning your own coaching company?

I really love to empower people. Whether they are my clients, organisations I work with or my own team. Of course you have to love business development, which I do, so I decided to continue my entrepreneurship here in Australia. I find it exciting to inspire my clients to set goals and help them achieve them and becoming more effective. I also set goals for myself and practice what I preach. I’m proud to say that LCC is already going from strength to strength.

Tell us about the team at LCC

Soon after I founded LCC, I asked six high calibre coaches and facilitators with whom I’ve been working together on assignments in the past, to join me. The team, all of whom had also held senior executive roles in the past, bring a complementary range of specialisations, skills and experiences to our coaching practice.

While we often work as individual coaches, for bigger Leadership Development Programs, we team up in pairs or even larger groups – whatever is required to meet the needs of our clients. We pride ourselves on the flexibility of our approaches.

How can people get in touch with you?

You can find me on the Executive Coach Exchange website or you can contact me directly on 0449102060 or by email at lantoscoaching@gmail.com or at www.lantoscoaching.com.